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21 January 2009

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Chris Hall

Peter,

Thanks for the shout out. Seriously... ;) I like your point about skimming vs. reading. I've found at work that nobody wants to read a five paragraph E-mail with the point of the message buried somewhere in paragraph five. For the most part, people just want the high level wrapped up with a bow on top so they can feel good about the "decision" they've made. By making things easy - one sentence situation summary plus one sentence recommendation - I am able to make progress on projects.

The problem is, making things easy for others is not an easy task... its time consuming and labor intensive but that doesn't mean it isn't necessary. ;)

Daniel Goodall

Email was meant to make us more productive, but most people would agree that it doesn't do that if it is over-used.

Similarly, despite the qualities we all love about Social Media, I think we need to re-assess if using it becomes counter-productive and even anti-social.

Aaron Strout

Peter - first of all, thanks for the shout out. To that end, I love that you pointed to my post on changing names on Twitter. The ironic part is that I did that post in about 5 minutes vs. one of my bigger thought pieces like my recent post on the "Loyalty Effect" http://budurl.com/loyaltyeffect. I do like your point though about making people think harder. I often wish that people would be more poignant in their critique of my blog posts. Don't get me wrong, I get a lot of constructive feedback but there are times where it ends up being more ego stroke and less "this is why I disagree with you."

To that end, I had a great online dialog the other day with @revznexus who asked me a lot of tough questions about my company's platform, approach and interactions with other CMO's. I welcome more constructive conversations like this: http://tweet2tweet.com/aaronstrout/revznexus/

Keep pushing that boulder...

Best,
Aarno | @aaronstrout

Jen Zingsheim

Daniel's point about social media becoming anti-social is important. I'm all for people creating original and thought-provoking content, and I'd love to see more of it. What I'm starting to realize I don't have the stomach for is when the discussions devolve into name calling and worse. What has happened to people's manners? Or, more to the point: if people can't have a rational discussion while disagreeing, quite frankly I don't think they are that bright. If one needs to resort to name-calling, denigrating others, and worse, then I don't care how salient the point is: I write off the author.

I understand that a thick skin is necessary, but do wish that a return to at least a modicum of civility could take place. That said, I see this sort of nastiness more on Twitter than I do in blog posts/comments. I enjoy Twitter and think that the format has merit for engaging people, but the short, conversant format is so informal that people forget they are having conversations in public.

I'll admit I'm probably firmly in the Nice-o-sphere, which I attribute to growing up as the daughter of a diplomat, then working in government, and then public relations. It's the perfect storm of paths to not rocking the boat!

Tom Cunniff

One of the most important skills in life is knowing how to positively and constructively disagree. Most of us have had no training in doing this.

As a result, disagreement online usually is expressed in two ways. The first are flame wars, which are honest but unproductive. The second is public nicey-nice and private snarkiness, which is dishonest and unproductive.

Very few people possess the skills to disagree constructively *and* the courage to choose the correct battles.

Social media can't solve this problem -- in my opinion, we are seeing strong evidence that it is extremely likely to amplify it.

I am beginning to think that the only productive antidote to the echo chamber is to step outside it. Having an army of drone followers is boring. Relationships with a small group of people who can constructively challenge us to sharpen our thinking is where all the fun is.

Rob Leavitt

A good post, Peter, but way easier said than done. I like to think that the limitations of social media and marketing today can be overcome by everyone and every business being even more social -- but your own comments on the echo chamber make it hard to be so confident. Imagine the difficulty finding actually useful content if we go from 21% to 50% of US adults creating content, or 50% of your fellow employees in a large organization. Of course you can say just tune out the chaff (and I agree that unsubscribing can be quite liberating!), but that takes time, which is difficult to devote to endless review of mostly useless comment, opinion, linking, and retweeting. Ratings or other popularity systems are far from the answer, especially given, as you say, how lazy people are in reading as well as writing. The echo chamber drives popularity, and I don't see a huge correlation between popularity and quality. No reason to stop trying, of course; I'll look forward to learning about your new venture's approach and experience.

Pam O'Neal

You hit a nerve with me when you wrote about the Nice-o-sphere. I struggle with this every day. Thanks for the good hard kick in the pants. My skin is thickening as I write this.

Aaron Strout

Oops, I'm a disaster today. For one, the period in the post I referenced in an earlier comment was broken due to the period at the end. http://budurl.com/loyaltyeffect

It would also be nice if 40 years into my life I could actually spell my first name (listed it as "Aarno" vs. "Aaron." Maybe I was subconsciously trying to morph myself into "Armano" since that guys pretty smart. ;)

Adam Singer

People do read every word, if you draw them in.

It is all about the lead guys.

When I write creative leads and hooks, the time spend on the pages is much greater. I've had some of my articles average 7+ minutes time spent on page when I carefully spent a good amount of time pondering a lead.

You should try and do it with everything you write. Peter does it well here, I read most of his stuff all the way through.

Ari Herzog

What's wrong with the echo chamber? Comparing your content to the other names you mention? Or comparing your content to what your blog readers may or may not be reading? My mother reads my blog but not other blogs; if I don't echo anything, mom loses out.

It is for this reason I don't merely echo word for word, but add my own slant.

Michelle Kostya

Thanks for the mention Peter. I think I am in the midst of a transformation on my blog...thanks partly to you, and partly to gaining confidence in myself as a blogger (which was due to increased comments on my own blog (helped by a tweet from a A-list blogger - which leads me to my lesson of the month - I will comment more on other blogs!)
The last week I have published at least two posts that I believe are somewhat more "thought-provoking" - albeit one is on Twitter (but that still counts!).
I will continue to post my "how-to" and social media beginner posts- because that is what my community is asking for. But, I will try to dig deep and not just play in the nice-o-sphere. That said I think we must always give constructive criticism, and remember there are humans on the other side of a blog post, or comment field. But it is certainly more interesting to have a discussion and engagement when there is a differing of opinion.

Jim Cahill

Hi Peter, I'm honored to be mentioned with such other great folks! I think if you stick to the mission you set out for yourself or on behalf of your company, you can find a successful niche. I look forward to seeing you again a future Social Media Breakfast or other event. Cheers!

Kate Richardson

Hi Peter, what you've highlighted is a longstanding dynamic of group behaviour. This happens every day in workplaces, families and other group related situations. We like equilibrium rather than disequilibrium. When the temperature rises in a group situation because someone has outed the elephant in the room or raised a point that makes people feel uncomfortable, a group's natural response is to try and 'turn the heat down'. We avoid conflict, we're afraid of criticism, and many bad decisions are made as a result.

Evan Shaw Blackerby

I wonder how often our egos (ironically built around our self-perceived remarkability...) keep us from being remarkable....?

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